Let's just sell the dog. End story.

I enter the amalgam rush at any spot that's open, and guard.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 07:31:00

I enter the Amalgam Rush and I spawn in the random location at the front or Middle Spawn.

I voted i would Sell that Dog for a large sum of Money.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 09:05:00

((Rule of thumb: if it's awesome, don't use it unless there is quite literally zero chance we can live without the usage of said item. See any revive item in the Fire Emblem series.))

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 16:16:00

Pit, do you have any idea how many fights I can cheese now that Providence is a thing?
"Tems4, Icewall, Icewall, Zillycharm, Beam."
"My clones then kill themselves."
Rinse repeat murder. Well, up until we encounter something with fire attacks or Zillycharm.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 16:55:00

>Rewrote the OP to make it sound better, too.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 17:26:00

I think we shouldn't sell the dog, I have a sneaking suspicion we're going to need it. I also was thinking we were planning on saving it for zetta, but I suppose it's fine if we sell it too, so long as the first item we buy with that gold is Bill's Cane, and we use that to take advantage of the 'free item' thing on our most expensive other planned purchase.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 20:29:00

Did anybody else watch Sword Art Online? Well there was one episode that mentioned a party of players who worked really well with each other, and then they obtained a very rare item. Unfortunately, the whole group tore apart due to them not being able to decide what to do with it.
Let's not be that group, people.
I personally don't care what happens with the dog. If we sell it, some body could buy Bill's Cane.
If we keep it, we'll we could USE it, but what would be the fun in that?

RIDICULOUS ALCHEMITING.
Annoying Dog && Robotic Arm && Damage Calculator && Wire Bits x15 && Sentry Turret && Lightbulb && Augment Parts = ???????????

OK that was a joke.
Kinda.
[small]OK yeah fine I want it.[/small]

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 20:50:00

Hmm. This is the dumbest idea I've ever had, but...

Annoying Dog + Herobrine's Clone's Corpse + Augment Parts = ???

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 21:10:00

I take teag's alchemy and engie's alchemy, and see what it would make when combined with giant stone middle finger.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 21:28:00

You know what

We should totally use the Slingshot to fire the Giant Stone Middle Dinger at Zetta.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 21:30:00

Hm. I just noticed Matt the Swordsman is weak to DARK.
PREPARE TO MEET PORTAL REND, GORILLA.
Anyways, I say we focus down the main enemies and let Team EBF assist us in dealing with them.
Once the Zone 2 enemies are dealt with, we can put all of our strength in to beating Team EBF.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 21:37:00

@Piono: I already said why Zetta would make us pay for that. While it would certainly be beneficial force, if Zetta chows down he'll get a new skill, and he's already guaranteed to get one of Engie's from this debacle. Bill's Cane, meanwhile, well, Generic would become a solution to basically everything as long as he doesn't get hit, which isn't likely as we'd likely be meatshielding him via NumberSoup Taunting or DarkSide hitting ridiculously hard, exception being Zillycharmers (so only the Chaos hax0rs thus far), and ONLY them as Generic can also learn Firewall (from CobaltShade's character), which is basically a fire version of Ice pillar, negating the potential weakness. And that's ignoring the fact that his clone can cast autorevive on him, basically for free, if need comes The one exception, of course, being that if any of his clones get nailed on the turn of summon, but that's hardly a problem because he regens so much mana per turn it's audacious. In general, I think more than 3 HP or Mana regen is pretty nasty, and the latter is for the hard-core mages. Ignoring Mana cost drops. I thought Generic's ability to cast Fireballs ad-infinitum with 3 MP regen and the Staff was already very good-now he's just audaciously powerful.

this might require TemsFour rebalancing, though given TemsFour REALLY encourages everyone to have high stats in all areas (high STR to improve damage, high AGI to improve the one defensive feature the clones have, and high INT for TemsFour skil improvements and allowing your spells to have massive impact), it might just mean the Cane needs serious rebalancing instead, or just outright saying 'no' to some of Generic's insane mana regen bs, namely a 200% MP Penalty to spells not on your spell list (meaning Generic must now actually improve MP), as Generic's degree of munchkinery actually needs addressing now, and while being powerful is good, I thought I was pretty high-tier considering I can completely ignore STR, HP and AC and still have a decent attack without the Rifle's crippling drawbacks, but Generic basically does every role possible, just like 3.5 D&D wizards, and that's ignoring Wilson, who's only somewhat different in that his primary ability is to drown the enemy in Animatronic Exoskeletons, Willow's ability to dodge 3/4 times, and of course TemsFour clones, ignoring his ultra-versatile (if low-damgae) Foxfire, which has a tool for literally every situation-the only time things would get sour is if he died (and in this case, assassination actually means something, which makes Wilson's build worse than Generic's build-a testament to Generic's power moreso than the build being bad, as Wilson's build is insane all on his own)

Also, edited last post with Zillywell dig-outs. I'd describe Roxxanne's alternative form in better detail but she's a stinking Archsue and as all things Archsue-like, stuff is complicated. I tried it once. It was loooooooooooooooooooooooong.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 22:06:00

Anyway, in regards to an actual action regarding the fighting going on, here we go.

I crack my knuckles with a grin.

IF YOU WANT TO KILL ME, STOP PUSSYING ABOUT AND COME DO IT.

Then, I blast Chaos Hax0r 1 right in the face with my Grenade Rifle, slam down a TNT at D9 in the hopes that it'll make my body unapproachable after my death for just long enough so that respawn can kick in and take my body away before Zetta does whatever Zetta does to dead bodies to it. Because we do SO not need him having an AoE Augment. Or, even worse... a Mettaton Leg.

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 22:07:00

I actually feel that I should balance TemsFour somehow; maybe make Clone spellcasting costs actually drain Base MP Cost / 2 from the summoner, and be limited in their ability to cast non-damage spells. Because spells like Augment are deadly in the hands of three clones who don't suffer any sort of penalty with spells like that. There's also the issue that if TemsFour is too powerful, I'll be forced to introduce hard-counters, and that'd make people regret taking TemsFour in the first place...

And how SHOULD I limit OP-ness / munchkin-ing-ness-ism? I do feel that some characters (Insert) are super-insane powerful, but that's as a result of weakening other player's builds by taking gold. There's also the matter of me not wanting to absolutely smite players just for finding interesting kinda-game-breaking tactics. I've had feelings about this around the start of Zone 2, but I feel I should do something now.

Maybe I'll do a balancing patch today instead of a proper update. Who knows.

If that DOES happen, things can, and WILL go down to encourage different, more interesting builds.
There are a few changes that I'll probably make, even if next update isn't a balance patch.
-Changes to TemsFour
There's a nerf coming. Even though the spell hasn't been used yet, at all. Even if it's just that the clones drain MP.
-Changes to Summons
I'll probably make Summons base stats scale less; players with lower INT and summons won't see much of a change, but players with higher INT will. I'll still give different benefits to high-INT summons, though. Maybe skill-slots for them, allowing more interesting builds.
-Changes in Enemy Design
Silences. Roots. Poisons. Silly things just to encourage varied builds, so that one thing won't completely shut you down, unless you spec to deal with that.

These are just ideas; who knows if I'll do them or not.


Originally posted on 2016-02-17 22:42:00

I think that's a good call (balancing update). As cool as TemsFour is, it's extremely OP if they can act immedietely (see my last action, using Shifting Sands and my plethora of AoE I had my TemClones simply destroyed the memories to the north). I think they shouldn't be able to recieve or apply persistent effects such as Augument or Autorevive. Possibly could apply to debuffs like Burn, Stun or Slow (applying only, so they can't apply debuffs in case that wasn't clear)

/nope

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 23:18:00

Right now, TemsFour is already (in my opinion) broken for Wilson because of foxfire's status effects and healing. It basically lets me burn, slow, or MP drain EVERYONE on the map and heal all our guys. However, I mostly picked it because it was a summon ability, so I'll probably still keep it even if it gets nerfed to oblivion. I know I could exploit it more by replacing either foxfire or summon with something like, say, mindcrush, beam, revive, or sentry. Can you imagine if I replaced foxfire with sentry? That would be so stupid. Wilson + Willow + 4 Clones + 4 Clone Sentries + Wilson's Sentry = 11 units on the field at once, PLUS glitch endoskeles. Summoner is the best strat. Well, second best after Generic apparently.

Also, foxfire might now be overpowered. Although, I think most of my ability comes from summons.

And sounds like my dodge stat is getting nerfed. Whatever. Me dodging all the time is rather out of character anyway. Right now, my 75% dodge rate means I'm basically immortal because nobody wants to attack me for fear of wasting their attack.

Battle question: Who can use the green, red, and blue gems?

Wilson gains +1 INT and Willow gains +2 HP (Currently, she has a 100% fire resistance, 50% ice resistance, and 100% wind weakness). I should probably now start putting points into things like agility, HP, and MP.

Willow spawns in at D5, recklessly charges up to G3, and attacks the regretful memory if it's still alive.

Wilson spawns in at B9 and moves down to C10. He uses the possibly soon to be nerfed into the ground TemsFour for a clone at B8, E8, B9, and E10 so they don't all die from one AOE. Unless of course, TemsFour gets either removed or nerfed to oblivion, in which case he just guards. Then he calls out to team EBF.

Hello? Who are you guys? Are you able to respond to me?

Originally posted on 2016-02-17 23:58:00

Bluh, I know I talked about making a balance patch today, but I'm massively stressed, annoyed about homework piles and somewhat annoyed with this game my brother showed me. No update today, sorry.

Originally posted on 2016-02-18 02:15:00

Toast: Given that it's a direct rip from Glitch Temmie's Variant, which required the clones to wait a turn (unlike Summon), well, it's not broken in THAT regard. However, it is INTENSELY broken if the clones can survive and last enough to start casting even one spell bar the weakest-enjoy THREE Wide Beams, or THREE Thunderbursts, or THREE Foxfires! The only thing I can't think of as broken is...Honestly nothing. I really just kind of dislike TemsFour in general, and have issues seeing where it could be balanced-even removing spellcasting entirely is just not enough, I don't think TemsFour should really exist as-is. It's gonna need major reworks, given that Tem alone forced us to attack the clones or die. (AT best, remove the focus issues and make the spell Range 1, thereby making a spell like Thunderburst or even Sapsplash an easy hard counter)

In hindsight, making a move like it for Ire wasn't the best idea. And I had suggested 14 MP, which basically prohibits spamming the thing.

@Talist: Really, I'm just peeved at the focused mages in general as BOTH of your builds are broken, Generic's moreso, and this is coming from the guy who's borderline SAD with AGI pumping me up offensively and defensively; you just have THAT many tools at your disposal and it's actually not even funny or fun, it just annoys me how exactly one party member can take care of everything. This goes double for Generic, because while he doesn't have the edge of having a billion things at once, as long as he has a decent idea to keep away from everything he can take care of a whole instance on his own, and this is BEFORE he got the Chemistry Kit, Providence or TemsFour; Blue Baby's Ribbon should NOT have been a thing and that is where I started to draw teh line between 'OK that's funny' and 'OK that's just cancerous,' basically as bad as Spirit of the Night prior to me pointing out that, yeah, staying in walls indefinitely is broken. While no HP regen, the MP regen was so stupid that he could basically cast Autorevive whenever, healing himself back up to full and making him an improptu tank as long as he got one turn to cast that. Which was effortless as he would never be that far in front.

I'm now witholding all dog trade-in money (it's clear we're trading in the Annoying Dog) until we get to the bottom of what we're gonna do with this, because as of right now unless there's a balance patch, Generic's build getting any worse is honestly just not fun, IMO, and no matter what I think we're not giving him a single piece of Gold for his cane at this point-he's OP enough. (I also feel Alchemization was just a mistake in this game, making OP weapon combos for basically no cash; I'd severely restrict what works in the future to specific recipies). I'm no team leader but at this point I've changed my mind-the last thing we need is Generic getting more powerful when the rest of the team might need that ability (especially, say, NumberSoup, who's tank build is lagging compared to DarkSide).

Originally posted on 2016-02-18 03:07:00

Bleh, whatever. You win, I'm out. I really can't deal with you today, and I *really* shouldn't even be doing this. Any of this. If what I do to escape stress is causing you stress, I might as well just go back to the stress and try to sort some of this shit out.

Originally posted on 2016-02-18 03:51:00

I just wanna reach the point where I have enough strength to bench press Zetta

Originally posted on 2016-02-18 04:39:00