I'm not in the mood for more fighting, and if world views are not something you change with arguments, and I don't particularly feel like I need to turn you into an optimist. I think I'll let it be.
What. hold on, you're starting a cross-thread arc ire? Nifty. Or, that's how I'm interpreting the whited-out message you have, since chaoscreeper is your tvtropes... character.
You payed attention to the bit where Godcraft's Earth and tvtropes's Earth were different!
SPLIT / ARC
HERE WE GO
...huh this is kinda a necro post. BUT OH WELL. I don't really post in the Forge anyway.
I also don't think I've elaborated on who cc is, anyway. Would anybody care as to a character recappy thing?
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If we were constructing an animation of DTG at any point, it would be upon something more central to the plot, I'd expect. Possibly the final struggle against Binary. We were all there.
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I can just imagine a Minecraft Animation based on DTG. Who wants to see the L()rd, Eric, Serpent, and Engie fight scene as an animation?
Meanwhile, I'm simply sitting in the corner, watching you all fight. I then to proceed to accidentally total all of you through a convoluted series of events, involving the destruction of two alternate universes and a bottle of thyme, and win.
RECAP-THING: EXECUTE.
cc suddenly emerged during the Glitch Arc, a Irecreeper-lookalike. He bore a strong hatred for the Operator, was mentally insane, and through a crack in reality (because glitch), he entered the very code of Minecraft. Through the static, cc learned how to manipulate the code, and implanted himself into the very reality of Minecraft, summonable through a silly process involving the construction of a gigantic chair.
Said chair is insanely hard to replicate, and only a Chairheir could build it. It also involves redstone and pistons and whatnot. I never explained this, but hey. After a short time, cc grew bored, and accessed the world of TvTropes. Given his total insanity, despite being a look-alike of me, he developed a love for tables, which he utilized in combat.
However, after the destruction of a beloved artifact, cc demonstrated a chaotic ability to rupture the very fabric of the world, sending spires of 1's and 0's through the land, which could (probably) deal immense damage. (Piono forgot to take into account that attack ahhhhhh)
cc's true intentions are to--///I/FDNUO/TEH/GITHNMERA----/324/i080hfgs[]]]]]]]]
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Certainly. And honestly the whole Binary fight/Bill healing scenario would be pretty awesome too.
Garr, I was going to pitch in with a comment on the whole self-deprecation/Piono and Erelye arguing thing, but the new editor is stuipdly laggy for me, I can't type normaluy likethis.
Garr, I was going to pitch in with a comment on the whole self-deprecation/Piono and Erelye arguing thing, but the new editor is stuipdly laggy for me, I can't type normaluy likethis.
That looks painful. Is your backspace button disabled?
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No, but none of my keys respond instantly, instead waiting about a half-second to work, and backspace sometimes decides to work about five times when I click it, so correctly editing stuff is quite difficult. Also, those specific typos were left in intentionally, rather than reflexively fixed as is usual, simply to demonstrate the problem.
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OK, civil disagreement time. For the record, part of why I'm even posting this is because I spent a lot of time on this already, but I intend to at least come off as civil and try to explain a problem. As it stands, this is an elephant in the room from my point of view and needs to be addressed. I'm dearly sorry for taking up this much space but to make a point across and come off as calm and reasonable while presenting compelling evidence is hard without taking up considerable space.
First off, on a semi-tangential notice: Twin and Fseftr have officially decreed, hard, that Be The Godmodders is NON-CANON. For anyone who had plans for that, sorry! I wasn't the one influencing the choice here either, I was just there for it.
First off, Piono: Again, I'm sorry for any insults I have levied against you in the past, implied or otherwise. I'm sometimes a very hotheaded idiot. As I've said before, I'll try to keep this as civil as possible. For anyone I might mention: I'm not trying to imply anything about you, I'm only stating what has been said by you. If you feel wronged, just say so.
Piono, in regards to Erelye and his rant: you are dead correct about him having a really bad week. That was a Slight-inducing Rant, after some serious issues regarding Indiana law that I won't go into deeper than that. That is not to say that he is still genuinely...Err, annoyed at you, in general. Maybe not as fiercely as the rant implies, but still annoyed on some level. But he's not the only one. In fact, I know SEVERAL people very annoyed at you. As I'm typing this, a memo consisting of not just myself and him, but also Twin, Fseftr and Pit, are all kind of in unified agreement that you're at least making a considerably large bevy of mistakes. I've also seen similar with Generic and Serpent before-so, a TON of people. You are an excellent player with long-standing, and you have made excellent points. I do not think the Editor is bad nor using it, and your suggestion (IMO) is completely reasonable regarding it's usage. Also, I do agree that Erelye's beating himself up too hard-though I'm not entirely sure if that's in-character somewhat at times. From what was apparent, for the most part, you have made perfectly acceptable and perfectly reasonable arguments given what you have just received. The Exception is breaking rule zero, but not for the reasons you think: I have pinpointed that, as far as most go, TwinBuilder has Creator Worhsip going for him, and angering him is a Fandom Berserk button. Twin's berserk button is blatant ignorance of rule zero or repetitive rule-breaking. Putting two and two together, angering Twin angers a sizable portion of the fandom, and cue semi-undeserved verbal beatdowns from a great deal of opeople. Re: Netpatham and Ninjatwist. You are not consciously attempting to do anything out of spite or ill-knowledge. In other words, on those instances the hate was basically incoming.
The problem is, you're still making a mistake. I think the problem is people simply haven't said what the mistake IS, and you don't realize it yet. However, in short, it's the fact that basically, everything has to fall into the canon as you attempt to see it, and there's no exceptions to it. Your reaction to Psi-Scratch basically sells it: You tried to basically prove that the Godmodder should have become Psi even after a lot of the initial backlash was solved and rectified. You are really just dictating what is canon and what isn't, and are kind of using this somewhat to wrap everything up into this one nice-and-neat canon that doesn't leave much room for debate. Now, I can appreciate this work, and I kind of do something similar: I am basically in your position else-ware. You recall when I said I've directly made rules for a Pokemon forum game before, whole rules? Yeah, the other role I primarily play is canon/storyline management (along with the GM and one other guy), and let me say that this game is on the story side of the Gameplay to Storyline ratio. But that's a slight tangent. The point is, what you are trying to do is valid, and not at all wrong. The attempt and the attempted ends is not at all bad. The mistake is poor execution. To a lot of people, this comes off as a Plot Tumor more than anything. It's invasive to their personal plots to a degree (which can be significantly annoying), and thus far there's also the issue of the fact that there are two large events you have orchestrated (MBoA and the Vord) that really did not come very well-effectively the 'payoff' for allowing you to invade and mess with their personal plots. You have made considerable contributions to DTG as a whole, let that be said, and I have to tip my hat to you for several instances: The Narrative in particular, IMO, opens up a lot of possibilities, and that could be very deeply dug into by a lot of other future GMs, but right now I've seen a lot of, err, dislike directed at you. I don't want to say hate. Anger tempered by annoyance over time can come off as hate. It's really not hate, not that I think.
Let's start with the events: They were both kind of unpopular. The Vord event was pretty disliked, but that (as we know) is moreso due to sheer length and lack of mechanics beyond just killing everything with an H next to it in sight, and of course you have apologized on that much. No more needs to be said on that much. That much isn't what's the problem. By all means I have seen Fseftr and Twin say that it was a con that both were so Piono-focused. Yes, it was considered a con that it was so Piono-focused. That was said twice in relation to the MBoA, by the way, which I personally kind of liked: However, I think the fact you had 3 armies was a bit overkill. Plot really demanded only two. There was also the Piono fights, advertised as being very major to the whole thing-Oblivion's Destroyer as a possible reward for killing him was even put forth initially. Now, I did like the MBoA in general and both Piono fights were OK (the second one moreso than the first because that didn't take an age, but the finishing cutscene for the first go was excellent), but I'm trying to include multiple people's opinions here to say that I'm not alone in thinking these things. My opinion on some details may differ, but the general consensus and opinion doesn't. But this isn't the big issue.
As for the plot breaching, this is the big issue. On the one hand, it's the best way possible to just get in there and do stuff with others, that's the best way to get involved. Get reacting with others the best you can. Let's use me After I got myself situated in the game, I jumped on the Piono fight and turned myself Trickster, two things some what relevant. I got a lot of flak for the Trickster issue, however, and Erelye's attmepts to de-tricktser me were pretty noticeable, but Generic did swiftly point out that I was basically doing nothing really harmful: namely, turning others into Tricksters. That deserves some mention and some explanation, I think: when the Trickster V. Grimdark war was starting up and the Trickster's were 'recruiting,' You did NOT like being turned into a Trickster, and even then you had yourself resist quite well and break out of it of your own accord. I bet you really didn't like that, and for good reaosn. Piono's supposed to be a serious character, having Trickster powers kind of thawrts that. The others came about with it somewhat more willingly, but I don't think many appreciated the experience that much, and Ire, the only other Trickster made from that event and thusly one who hasn't been screwed over, hasn't referenced it in a while, though I am not sure if he simply forgot. Erelye, meanwhile, made great care to not turn everyone Grimdark and gave them plenty of opportunity, backspacing on a forced attempt that failed and otherwise granting it only on request, and worked to protect people from going Trickster as well. Erelye's moves then were well-regarded, Generic's (the first Trickster and effectively the leader) were not-a lot was roleplay, true, but that doesn't stop people from getting annoyed by basically being forced to do it. Generic's actions were very invasive and got some flak for it until all attempts to spread it around proved rather futile. Now, later on, note that I got some good flak for going Trickster at all, which was a good sign of the fact that I might be doing some Trickster conversions-I got some level of ire directed at me for it, however little it came out to, just for the threat that I might turn others Trickster against their will. This, despite me saying that I could basically turn no-one trickster as everyone was just already immunized or prepared for the possibility. With that all said, let's take what it means and put it together: turning people Trickster against their will was disliked and invasive, as it made them do stuff in RP they didn't like. You clearly didn't like it and had reasons to be very annoyed by the attempts, as it detracted from your intention of what Piono was as a character. Again, I can't really bring this to bear from true personal experience, but do you think that joining the IUPC would be similar, just somewhat less obvious and less in-your-face? Let's face facts, in any organization claiming to be a Peace Corps, all the Eldritch sorcery and darkness and corruption-based and simply cruel methods that Erelye is prone to using against his enemies would be frowned upon at the very least, something he (in-unvierse and out) would not want restrained. I can't really speak for him about the matter-any time I mention him I mention what I have seen him say about it in the past, as is everyone else I've mentioned. I mean, I may be overestimating the effect you really have, but I'm not really getting into my plot yet, that's a DTG3 (or as twin/generic would put it, an axolotl) thing. Most of my evidence and reasoning is the reactions of others, what they say about you, and they certainly don't think it's an overestimation, and all things considered these are all veterans and many have big plots. You affect them the most with your actions, and most of who I've seen are directly involved in the IUPC thing (Erelye), or being considered for it (Fseftr). ((This is not to say I might not be interested in-univeres: the way I want to characterize him actually paints him as the kind of guy who might just be interested, if not for outside circumstances. By all means, at least have Eric ask him.))
I may be overemphasizing reactions here, but this is my primary form of evidence here. I've got to mention them. I mentioned BTG getting a one-way ticket to not being canon, period. It is semi-tangential, but there is a reason for mentioning it. It was because Fseftr made the decision that it was not canon to spite you. He didn't really care about it's canon status really at all, in his own words, but that you insisted it was canon in some weird way was enough reason for him to make it offically uncanon-which is why I brought it up. Your insistence on it being canon in some manner literally influenced Fseftr to decide that it would not be canon, which kind of makes it very blatant how people don't like some of what you do. This isn't the only thing that was made just to spite you. Though I have already said that Erelye was angry beforehand for some good reasons, Grayhold was literally there partially to get a good jab at you, and partially just to make Eric really rethink putting Erelye in the IUPC: he has even said on the memo, and I quote (exactly, sadly), "The next person who joins th IUPC can take my resignation to Eric for me." (Again, he was angry, but the point still stands, I think.). My appearance in the TvTropes session, in part, was initially to have a go at spiting you and making you realize how disruptive and unpopular you were by basically copying you to an extent, though also in part just to have some destructive Chaotic 'Neutral' fun (and though the last part on that agenda is pretty set, I will admit the first bit isn't really a goal anymore). I have seen a memo, consisting of Blue, Generic and Erelye, dedicated to saying that the IUPC was literally an attempt to get all of Eric's love interests in the same place. Half-joking, true, but only half-joking, and they were thinking of ways to spite Eric there. It would take a significant hate-dom to get a character there. In other words: People dislike some of what you do, and they're kind of indirectly retaliating at you for what they perceive as an indirect, invasive attack on their RP.
I admit, I don't have a solution-I can't honestly genuinely think of one. This comes across more as a disagreement, and an elephant in the room that has gone some time un-addressed. I'm not trying to hide behind other people either: I find this kind of plot-takeover cancerous and very annoying at times myself, especially when trying to figure out the nature of the Narrative from you (you answered very quickly and left little room for interpretation when you did), and of course I have called you out before, very confrontational and very angry when I did-and for those moments I am mostly sorry for, but getting past all the needless rage there was a legitimate accusation, just like Erelye. I am trying to point out how many people are, in fact, annoyed by this, it's not just one or two people, and though I've reffered to a total of three, they come off as the most annoyed and simply have the most examples. I've mentioned Pit. In respones to one of the private conversations Twin let on on one of the Memos, and I quote basically verbatim, Pit said this:, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I'M DONE. I'M PALUTANEA**** DONE." Twin himself has said (also basically verbatim), when asked about what the problem with you is, "He doesn't understand that the gameplay stuff he does annoys people? Yeah. The gist with Piono is, his plot ends up absorbing all others, and everything must conform to it. He loves enforcing his plot on others, dragging people into it, dragging the WHOLE GAME into it." A lot of people just don't like to voice these things to people's faces like this-that's very rude and invasive from a lot of perspectives, and it's why I've tried to be really civil here and as minimally insulting as possible. A lot of people said for me to not do this, not continue an argument Erelye was dropping, because you wouldn't change. Of course, that's not true at all-both of us know you have changed, and very significantly. I really can't give advice for this, however, and that's just a fault of mine. I cannot come up with an answer to the problem, it evades my mental grasp entirely, and I feel the genuine need to apologize for giving out this huge argument and not having an answer to the problem at the end of it. I cannot figure out what to say to solve the problem. The best I've got is first asking who might actually be interested OOC before going in IC, and all that I know you may have done that as well (you did mention the MSPA session and how that might interfere before), in which case, I genuinely have no way to solve the problem except stepping back for a bit, which is kind of hard all things considered. That being said, if nothing can happen as a compromise, all I can really say is this: Sometimes not everything needs to be explained or categorized.
Of course, I may just be bad at arguing. I apologize in advance for any untowed insults I may have unintentionally levied in making this at anyone. I tried not to be insulting at anyone or accusing of anyone. I tried to be Civil. I really, really tried. I am also seriously sorry for just taking up huge amounts of space.
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While I had a more detailed response to all this in mind, I think this will suffice. "Geez, everybody's so... Miffed, you should really just relax, it's only a game."
I will become very, very amused if someone takes the time to type out a rant in response to this. In case it is not already obvious, I am, while quite invested in the game and this community, not as serious about it, nor, really, about anything else, as you guys are. Or at least not in the same way.
Disclaimer, this post may contain ill-though-out !!Opinion!!, please tale care not to consider it in a more serious note than that in which it is intended.
You believe the best in people, I don't. Let's agree to disagree because I don't really care to continue unless you do.
I'm not in the mood for more fighting, and if world views are not something you change with arguments, and I don't particularly feel like I need to turn you into an optimist. I think I'll let it be.
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Nope, sorry guys, no Destroy the Godmodder relevant stuff here...
At least, not yet.
Hey, just look at my old posts! I was an IDIOT back then!
For example, I wanted red text from the beginning. I just was too stupid to know how to get it.
THE PROPHECY SEEMED FAR AWAY
BUT FINALLY WE'VE REACHED THE DAY
GIVE UP THE PAST, EMBRACE THE STRANGE
EVERYTHING YOU CARE ABOUT WILL CHANGE
When both sides are doomed, which do you choose?
DOWN HERE IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED
I had to.
GODDAMN IT
STUPID GENDERFLIP VIRUS
Nice.
Dang it engie... got me again.
THE PROPHECY SEEMED FAR AWAY
BUT FINALLY WE'VE REACHED THE DAY
GIVE UP THE PAST, EMBRACE THE STRANGE
EVERYTHING YOU CARE ABOUT WILL CHANGE
When both sides are doomed, which do you choose?
DOWN HERE IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED
It is, admittedly, a rather nice example of an old pot.
GODDAMN IT
STUPID GENDERFLIP VIRUS
SPLIT / ARC
HERE WE GO
...huh this is kinda a necro post. BUT OH WELL. I don't really post in the Forge anyway.
I also don't think I've elaborated on who cc is, anyway. Would anybody care as to a character recappy thing?
The dream that you've never dreamed is suddenly about to FLOWER.
Chair-City? (Ind) (Tra)
In other news, I found this amazing Springtrap song. Not really well suited for his theme in DTG, but....
THE PROPHECY SEEMED FAR AWAY
BUT FINALLY WE'VE REACHED THE DAY
GIVE UP THE PAST, EMBRACE THE STRANGE
EVERYTHING YOU CARE ABOUT WILL CHANGE
When both sides are doomed, which do you choose?
DOWN HERE IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED
If you want to, I would be delighted to listen.
I can just imagine a Minecraft Animation based on DTG. Who wants to see the L()rd, Eric, Serpent, and Engie fight scene as an animation?
THE PROPHECY SEEMED FAR AWAY
BUT FINALLY WE'VE REACHED THE DAY
GIVE UP THE PAST, EMBRACE THE STRANGE
EVERYTHING YOU CARE ABOUT WILL CHANGE
When both sides are doomed, which do you choose?
DOWN HERE IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED
If we were constructing an animation of DTG at any point, it would be upon something more central to the plot, I'd expect. Possibly the final struggle against Binary. We were all there.
I for one think Springtrap more suits "It's Time to Die".
GODDAMN IT
STUPID GENDERFLIP VIRUS
Meanwhile, I'm simply sitting in the corner, watching you all fight. I then to proceed to accidentally total all of you through a convoluted series of events, involving the destruction of two alternate universes and a bottle of thyme, and win.
RECAP-THING: EXECUTE.
cc suddenly emerged during the Glitch Arc, a Irecreeper-lookalike. He bore a strong hatred for the Operator, was mentally insane, and through a crack in reality (because glitch), he entered the very code of Minecraft. Through the static, cc learned how to manipulate the code, and implanted himself into the very reality of Minecraft, summonable through a silly process involving the construction of a gigantic chair.
Said chair is insanely hard to replicate, and only a Chairheir could build it. It also involves redstone and pistons and whatnot. I never explained this, but hey. After a short time, cc grew bored, and accessed the world of TvTropes. Given his total insanity, despite being a look-alike of me, he developed a love for tables, which he utilized in combat.
However, after the destruction of a beloved artifact, cc demonstrated a chaotic ability to rupture the very fabric of the world, sending spires of 1's and 0's through the land, which could (probably) deal immense damage. (Piono forgot to take into account that attack ahhhhhh)
cc's true intentions are to--///I/FDNUO/TEH/GITHNMERA----/324/i080hfgs[]]]]]]]]
/ puɐן ǝʌoqɐ ǝsıɹ ןןıʍ ǝɹɐɯʇɥbıu ǝɥʇ
/ puɐן ǝɥʇ sɹǝʇuǝ ɹǝpoɔ ǝɥʇ uǝɥʍ
/ pǝsɐǝɔǝp sı ɹıǝɥɹıɐɥɔ ǝsןɐɟ ǝɥʇ uǝɥʍ
/ ʇǝǝɯ ǝɹoɯ ǝɔuo ǝɹnʇnɟ puɐ ʇsɐd uǝɥʍ
The dream that you've never dreamed is suddenly about to FLOWER.
Chair-City? (Ind) (Tra)
Yes.
GODDAMN IT
STUPID GENDERFLIP VIRUS
Certainly. And honestly the whole Binary fight/Bill healing scenario would be pretty awesome too.
Garr, I was going to pitch in with a comment on the whole self-deprecation/Piono and Erelye arguing thing, but the new editor is stuipdly laggy for me, I can't type normaluy likethis.
happen
Somehow, I ended up GM-ing this thing over at Bay12;
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=149024.870
That looks painful. Is your backspace button disabled?
GODDAMN IT
STUPID GENDERFLIP VIRUS
No, but none of my keys respond instantly, instead waiting about a half-second to work, and backspace sometimes decides to work about five times when I click it, so correctly editing stuff is quite difficult. Also, those specific typos were left in intentionally, rather than reflexively fixed as is usual, simply to demonstrate the problem.
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Somehow, I ended up GM-ing this thing over at Bay12;
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=149024.870
-Insert disclaimer for being ninja'd horribly here-
OK, civil disagreement time. For the record, part of why I'm even posting this is because I spent a lot of time on this already, but I intend to at least come off as civil and try to explain a problem. As it stands, this is an elephant in the room from my point of view and needs to be addressed. I'm dearly sorry for taking up this much space but to make a point across and come off as calm and reasonable while presenting compelling evidence is hard without taking up considerable space.
First off, on a semi-tangential notice: Twin and Fseftr have officially decreed, hard, that Be The Godmodders is NON-CANON. For anyone who had plans for that, sorry! I wasn't the one influencing the choice here either, I was just there for it.
First off, Piono: Again, I'm sorry for any insults I have levied against you in the past, implied or otherwise. I'm sometimes a very hotheaded idiot. As I've said before, I'll try to keep this as civil as possible. For anyone I might mention: I'm not trying to imply anything about you, I'm only stating what has been said by you. If you feel wronged, just say so.
Piono, in regards to Erelye and his rant: you are dead correct about him having a really bad week. That was a Slight-inducing Rant, after some serious issues regarding Indiana law that I won't go into deeper than that. That is not to say that he is still genuinely...Err, annoyed at you, in general. Maybe not as fiercely as the rant implies, but still annoyed on some level. But he's not the only one. In fact, I know SEVERAL people very annoyed at you. As I'm typing this, a memo consisting of not just myself and him, but also Twin, Fseftr and Pit, are all kind of in unified agreement that you're at least making a considerably large bevy of mistakes. I've also seen similar with Generic and Serpent before-so, a TON of people. You are an excellent player with long-standing, and you have made excellent points. I do not think the Editor is bad nor using it, and your suggestion (IMO) is completely reasonable regarding it's usage. Also, I do agree that Erelye's beating himself up too hard-though I'm not entirely sure if that's in-character somewhat at times. From what was apparent, for the most part, you have made perfectly acceptable and perfectly reasonable arguments given what you have just received. The Exception is breaking rule zero, but not for the reasons you think: I have pinpointed that, as far as most go, TwinBuilder has Creator Worhsip going for him, and angering him is a Fandom Berserk button. Twin's berserk button is blatant ignorance of rule zero or repetitive rule-breaking. Putting two and two together, angering Twin angers a sizable portion of the fandom, and cue semi-undeserved verbal beatdowns from a great deal of opeople. Re: Netpatham and Ninjatwist. You are not consciously attempting to do anything out of spite or ill-knowledge. In other words, on those instances the hate was basically incoming.
The problem is, you're still making a mistake. I think the problem is people simply haven't said what the mistake IS, and you don't realize it yet. However, in short, it's the fact that basically, everything has to fall into the canon as you attempt to see it, and there's no exceptions to it. Your reaction to Psi-Scratch basically sells it: You tried to basically prove that the Godmodder should have become Psi even after a lot of the initial backlash was solved and rectified. You are really just dictating what is canon and what isn't, and are kind of using this somewhat to wrap everything up into this one nice-and-neat canon that doesn't leave much room for debate. Now, I can appreciate this work, and I kind of do something similar: I am basically in your position else-ware. You recall when I said I've directly made rules for a Pokemon forum game before, whole rules? Yeah, the other role I primarily play is canon/storyline management (along with the GM and one other guy), and let me say that this game is on the story side of the Gameplay to Storyline ratio. But that's a slight tangent. The point is, what you are trying to do is valid, and not at all wrong. The attempt and the attempted ends is not at all bad. The mistake is poor execution. To a lot of people, this comes off as a Plot Tumor more than anything. It's invasive to their personal plots to a degree (which can be significantly annoying), and thus far there's also the issue of the fact that there are two large events you have orchestrated (MBoA and the Vord) that really did not come very well-effectively the 'payoff' for allowing you to invade and mess with their personal plots. You have made considerable contributions to DTG as a whole, let that be said, and I have to tip my hat to you for several instances: The Narrative in particular, IMO, opens up a lot of possibilities, and that could be very deeply dug into by a lot of other future GMs, but right now I've seen a lot of, err, dislike directed at you. I don't want to say hate. Anger tempered by annoyance over time can come off as hate. It's really not hate, not that I think.
Let's start with the events: They were both kind of unpopular. The Vord event was pretty disliked, but that (as we know) is moreso due to sheer length and lack of mechanics beyond just killing everything with an H next to it in sight, and of course you have apologized on that much. No more needs to be said on that much. That much isn't what's the problem. By all means I have seen Fseftr and Twin say that it was a con that both were so Piono-focused. Yes, it was considered a con that it was so Piono-focused. That was said twice in relation to the MBoA, by the way, which I personally kind of liked: However, I think the fact you had 3 armies was a bit overkill. Plot really demanded only two. There was also the Piono fights, advertised as being very major to the whole thing-Oblivion's Destroyer as a possible reward for killing him was even put forth initially. Now, I did like the MBoA in general and both Piono fights were OK (the second one moreso than the first because that didn't take an age, but the finishing cutscene for the first go was excellent), but I'm trying to include multiple people's opinions here to say that I'm not alone in thinking these things. My opinion on some details may differ, but the general consensus and opinion doesn't. But this isn't the big issue.
As for the plot breaching, this is the big issue. On the one hand, it's the best way possible to just get in there and do stuff with others, that's the best way to get involved. Get reacting with others the best you can. Let's use me After I got myself situated in the game, I jumped on the Piono fight and turned myself Trickster, two things some what relevant. I got a lot of flak for the Trickster issue, however, and Erelye's attmepts to de-tricktser me were pretty noticeable, but Generic did swiftly point out that I was basically doing nothing really harmful: namely, turning others into Tricksters. That deserves some mention and some explanation, I think: when the Trickster V. Grimdark war was starting up and the Trickster's were 'recruiting,' You did NOT like being turned into a Trickster, and even then you had yourself resist quite well and break out of it of your own accord. I bet you really didn't like that, and for good reaosn. Piono's supposed to be a serious character, having Trickster powers kind of thawrts that. The others came about with it somewhat more willingly, but I don't think many appreciated the experience that much, and Ire, the only other Trickster made from that event and thusly one who hasn't been screwed over, hasn't referenced it in a while, though I am not sure if he simply forgot. Erelye, meanwhile, made great care to not turn everyone Grimdark and gave them plenty of opportunity, backspacing on a forced attempt that failed and otherwise granting it only on request, and worked to protect people from going Trickster as well. Erelye's moves then were well-regarded, Generic's (the first Trickster and effectively the leader) were not-a lot was roleplay, true, but that doesn't stop people from getting annoyed by basically being forced to do it. Generic's actions were very invasive and got some flak for it until all attempts to spread it around proved rather futile. Now, later on, note that I got some good flak for going Trickster at all, which was a good sign of the fact that I might be doing some Trickster conversions-I got some level of ire directed at me for it, however little it came out to, just for the threat that I might turn others Trickster against their will. This, despite me saying that I could basically turn no-one trickster as everyone was just already immunized or prepared for the possibility. With that all said, let's take what it means and put it together: turning people Trickster against their will was disliked and invasive, as it made them do stuff in RP they didn't like. You clearly didn't like it and had reasons to be very annoyed by the attempts, as it detracted from your intention of what Piono was as a character. Again, I can't really bring this to bear from true personal experience, but do you think that joining the IUPC would be similar, just somewhat less obvious and less in-your-face? Let's face facts, in any organization claiming to be a Peace Corps, all the Eldritch sorcery and darkness and corruption-based and simply cruel methods that Erelye is prone to using against his enemies would be frowned upon at the very least, something he (in-unvierse and out) would not want restrained. I can't really speak for him about the matter-any time I mention him I mention what I have seen him say about it in the past, as is everyone else I've mentioned. I mean, I may be overestimating the effect you really have, but I'm not really getting into my plot yet, that's a DTG3 (or as twin/generic would put it, an axolotl) thing. Most of my evidence and reasoning is the reactions of others, what they say about you, and they certainly don't think it's an overestimation, and all things considered these are all veterans and many have big plots. You affect them the most with your actions, and most of who I've seen are directly involved in the IUPC thing (Erelye), or being considered for it (Fseftr). ((This is not to say I might not be interested in-univeres: the way I want to characterize him actually paints him as the kind of guy who might just be interested, if not for outside circumstances. By all means, at least have Eric ask him.))
I may be overemphasizing reactions here, but this is my primary form of evidence here. I've got to mention them. I mentioned BTG getting a one-way ticket to not being canon, period. It is semi-tangential, but there is a reason for mentioning it. It was because Fseftr made the decision that it was not canon to spite you. He didn't really care about it's canon status really at all, in his own words, but that you insisted it was canon in some weird way was enough reason for him to make it offically uncanon-which is why I brought it up. Your insistence on it being canon in some manner literally influenced Fseftr to decide that it would not be canon, which kind of makes it very blatant how people don't like some of what you do. This isn't the only thing that was made just to spite you. Though I have already said that Erelye was angry beforehand for some good reasons, Grayhold was literally there partially to get a good jab at you, and partially just to make Eric really rethink putting Erelye in the IUPC: he has even said on the memo, and I quote (exactly, sadly), "The next person who joins th IUPC can take my resignation to Eric for me." (Again, he was angry, but the point still stands, I think.). My appearance in the TvTropes session, in part, was initially to have a go at spiting you and making you realize how disruptive and unpopular you were by basically copying you to an extent, though also in part just to have some destructive Chaotic 'Neutral' fun (and though the last part on that agenda is pretty set, I will admit the first bit isn't really a goal anymore). I have seen a memo, consisting of Blue, Generic and Erelye, dedicated to saying that the IUPC was literally an attempt to get all of Eric's love interests in the same place. Half-joking, true, but only half-joking, and they were thinking of ways to spite Eric there. It would take a significant hate-dom to get a character there. In other words: People dislike some of what you do, and they're kind of indirectly retaliating at you for what they perceive as an indirect, invasive attack on their RP.
I admit, I don't have a solution-I can't honestly genuinely think of one. This comes across more as a disagreement, and an elephant in the room that has gone some time un-addressed. I'm not trying to hide behind other people either: I find this kind of plot-takeover cancerous and very annoying at times myself, especially when trying to figure out the nature of the Narrative from you (you answered very quickly and left little room for interpretation when you did), and of course I have called you out before, very confrontational and very angry when I did-and for those moments I am mostly sorry for, but getting past all the needless rage there was a legitimate accusation, just like Erelye. I am trying to point out how many people are, in fact, annoyed by this, it's not just one or two people, and though I've reffered to a total of three, they come off as the most annoyed and simply have the most examples. I've mentioned Pit. In respones to one of the private conversations Twin let on on one of the Memos, and I quote basically verbatim, Pit said this:, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I'M DONE. I'M PALUTANEA**** DONE." Twin himself has said (also basically verbatim), when asked about what the problem with you is, "He doesn't understand that the gameplay stuff he does annoys people? Yeah. The gist with Piono is, his plot ends up absorbing all others, and everything must conform to it. He loves enforcing his plot on others, dragging people into it, dragging the WHOLE GAME into it." A lot of people just don't like to voice these things to people's faces like this-that's very rude and invasive from a lot of perspectives, and it's why I've tried to be really civil here and as minimally insulting as possible. A lot of people said for me to not do this, not continue an argument Erelye was dropping, because you wouldn't change. Of course, that's not true at all-both of us know you have changed, and very significantly. I really can't give advice for this, however, and that's just a fault of mine. I cannot come up with an answer to the problem, it evades my mental grasp entirely, and I feel the genuine need to apologize for giving out this huge argument and not having an answer to the problem at the end of it. I cannot figure out what to say to solve the problem. The best I've got is first asking who might actually be interested OOC before going in IC, and all that I know you may have done that as well (you did mention the MSPA session and how that might interfere before), in which case, I genuinely have no way to solve the problem except stepping back for a bit, which is kind of hard all things considered. That being said, if nothing can happen as a compromise, all I can really say is this: Sometimes not everything needs to be explained or categorized.
Of course, I may just be bad at arguing. I apologize in advance for any untowed insults I may have unintentionally levied in making this at anyone. I tried not to be insulting at anyone or accusing of anyone. I tried to be Civil. I really, really tried. I am also seriously sorry for just taking up huge amounts of space.
While I had a more detailed response to all this in mind, I think this will suffice. "Geez, everybody's so... Miffed, you should really just relax, it's only a game."
I will become very, very amused if someone takes the time to type out a rant in response to this. In case it is not already obvious, I am, while quite invested in the game and this community, not as serious about it, nor, really, about anything else, as you guys are. Or at least not in the same way.
Disclaimer, this post may contain ill-though-out !!Opinion!!, please tale care not to consider it in a more serious note than that in which it is intended.
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Somehow, I ended up GM-ing this thing over at Bay12;
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=149024.870