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Guess what? This isn't Everyone vs. Everybody.

Yeah. Heck, the fact that he is IN Everything versus Everything is grounds for him to have a critical existence failure and be banned. If I were Twin right now, I might even have B1NARY crack him open like an egg.

Also, Erelye would win, still. Think of him as the guy(s) who made HEX to begin with, and multiply that by a hundred-and if HEX is stronger still, multiply HEX's power levels by 100 instead and YOUR power levels by 100 as well (and you are superior to HEX on the basis that you are presumably a descendant), then add both numbers together and multiply it by 19. You now have a rough understanding of Erelye's power level. Maybe. This might be underestimating Kalare severely still.

But yeah, the power of character development trumps all others.

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Yeah, I like to think most of the players who've gone into character development have enough different about them to render them distinguishable.

I, for one, have the difference of also being a sort of necromancer/summoner/dark majjyk user, and in the part where my consciousness resides in three separate sections, plus H3, who is a little more than a computer.

As for sheer power, I tend to rely on my brand of physics to determine weapons, and the nearest higher power to decide characters.

I will definitely be heavily modifying my surviving characters in DTG3.

For all intents and purposes, Twin has said that any beings/organizations/items from other forum games have no jurisdiction in DTG, and do not exist. At this point, HEX should not merely be nerfed by his existence here. He should not exist here at all.

And, besides that. I have the power capacity, without the OP Scale, to cast spells capable of stopping something from ever existing at all, paradox-free. I could annihilate the IDMG headquarters, and kill every single mage within if you did not repeatedly godmod your way out of imminent Grayholdian invasion. I could destroy HEX within a few seconds. I could wipe out every mage in your entire timeline, given a few days and my full energy, if I wished. I have no qualms with sabotaging you. I wield one of the most powerful wands currently in existence. At this point, I may as well destroy you after the Binary fight. There is nothing you can hide behind. Please, do try and destroy my existence. I am a singular universe away, playing Minecraft. Even if you do beat my game avatar, to defeat me, you would have to go through the real me. Is this the truth, everybody? If there was a duel between the two of us, HEX would have quite the fun time trying to get through me. And anybody so magnanimous as to actually care and pick a side. I am also amused by the fact that you have not explained how you are going to crush us all whatsoever. Do you not yet have a good argument on how HEX would defeat Engie, Piono, and the like, Netpatham?

We need some form of confirmation from a universally knowledgable being to settle this multiple month-old debate, I think.

Yeah, I think this is the issue here net.

You try to rely on godmodding.
Godmodding is not a reliable way to do things.
The Godmodder is the only one strong enough to use godmodding as his main power source.
Alpha level godmodding is enough to give you power boosts, but if you can't do something of your own, it really isn't useful.
Especially since HEX isn't a godmodder.
HEX is a sentient AI wizard.
And powerful as HEX is, HEX is most certainly not even in the upper end of the character power scale. There's ways to figure this out, and as much as a circle of wizards might be powerful, the IDMG just doesn't stand a chance against the following:
An elven mage capable of easily defeating the more powerful among the outer gods
An entire fleet of massive battleships equipped with far-future tech.
A first guardian using an artifact that allows him to manipulate the most powerful thing in the multiverse.
A Minecraftian giving them all a run for their money.
A universe eater.

Sorry net, you haven't established yourself on the powerscale appropriately. You need to build yourself up, and godmodding has a tendency to keep you lower on the scale actually.

I'm fairly certain that Erelye would probably win against HEX, mainly due to those 500+ charge wands. He has also been verified as defeating Piono, who was supplied power by the alchemies he had created at the time. And I seriously doubt that HEX could beat alchemy-powered Piono.

Also, look at the graph above. You see the last two words describing Erelye? OUTER. GODS. So, basically, he's like Kratos, only less outwardly intimidating, and on a larger scale. And probably has some popularity power behind him too.

Meanwhile, HEX could technically not even exist here. Being in Everyone VS Everybody means that, unless you can prove he existed in DTG first, HEX may be at risk of having an existential crisis. The literal kind.

To be fair defeating Piono isn't necessarily the best metric for power. I defeated him with a puppet. Like seriously.

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To be fair defeating Piono isn't necessarily the best metric for power. I defeated him with a puppet. Like seriously.

It is a fairly good one when he's amplified in power by a bunch of level 10 elemental alchemies.

Yeah um... I was when he got that first death in with Cal.
Piono's stronger now, he didn't have all avenues of attack covered then, using Cal wouldn't work anymore.

Doubly to be fair, Piono was also defeated with help from Generic, Hank (with the only spoil Piono didn't soulbind himself to), Vriska, and myself at the time, as well as 20 or so powerful Minecraftians.

Yeah it probably wouldn't. In all honesty it's pretty impressive that I managed to do as much to him as I did. And most of my actual damage dealt was by using spoils.

Tazz, don't forget erelye, fseftr and xcano.

Yeah, and best part is piono supercharged his alchemies halfway through that fight and almost obliterated you guys with thirteen copies of ultimatum. You guys saw what a single one of those did (although admittedly with level 10 ammo for all slots instead of just one, but still)
He's got ammo ready for Ultimatum now,
And all 25 alchemies instead of only 15 of them. Still super-charged.
And another trick up his sleeve.
You guys will actually be seeing him again too. Aren't you guys excited?

Yes. Partially because I simply refuse to believe you have covered all avenues of attack.

I'm also going to (affectionately) parody your Lv. 10 Elemental Alchemies. I've decided on that much. Guess what elements and weapons/gear I'm going to use! (Also, tell me what you already used as for weapons, I wasn't paying that much attention to the weapons.)

Flashbacks of the soul-stealing bit come to mind.

Quite frankly, I only say I killed him because I leaped in whilst you guys were busy fighting his copies, Constricted him with my Spoil, and stabbed him through the chest with the sharpest object currently in existence. In reality, you all did most of the work. Also, I think you played an excellent Vriska. Far better than I can do. I can only seriously masquerade as Scratch, of all the possible scumbags. Possibly some others, but I am overall quite bad at playing people I do not create.

All right, looks like a critical existence failure has happened, so are you all actually happy? *sigh* I don't know why I bother. All of you seem to be dead against me here.

The IDMG is an entire civilization of magi of all kinds. Not just some small coven. Really, they have a PLANET of their own.

Seriously, though, if there was an equal battlefield, with equivalent resources and no particular limits, I still think HEX could win. If nothing else, there are plenty of tricks to stop any particular mage (for Erelye's case, cutting off nodes would work very well, and it can actually be done with time enough to make it work.) I don't know how to nullify the Hazel Wand, but I'm assuming it will be harder to get if it's just been teraported into a teraport denial zone. That will probably cause an explosion, to be clear.

Blue and company would be harder, as magic/technologic interfacing only goes so far against technology with a mana denial field, but there are ways. Suddenly-high-velocity particles, stuff like that.

Piono? He'll be harder than either. My best guess as a technique would be to somehow break the soulbind or mute it somehow, and if neither of those are possible come at him with an element he doesn't control. Perhaps a trip to the Semi-Elemental Plane of Ranch Dressing, or the Plane of Painfully Painful Painy Pain That Can Kill You. That or just somehow get a bullet in the head before there's a chance to react.

Which first guardian, exactly???

As for engie: I have no clue. The best I could do would be a flash teleport to the opposite end of the multiverse.

You cannot nullify the Hazel Wand. After Not-John killed me with it, I created a ward making it impossible to use the thing against me. No Grayhallow Ritual, but certainly around a third of that level. In any way. Anyhow, I need not require vis for direct power. Easily remedied with the annihilation of physical matter for essentia transmutation, and the fact that my body is essentially overcharged with Grimdark power supplied by the existence of the Furthest Ring. I could stop you from casting any spells, suffocate you with my eldritch existence nearby, throw you into the second power source of the Hazel Wand, stop you from existing, crush your will, transmute your physical body into candle wax, turn you into an organic being, et cetera. Need I go on? Of course, I think one of the problems here (besides the large amount of godmodding you regulary use) is that you are kind of frivolous. Next to me, the serious wizard, you do not seem quite as... I do not know. Point is, HEX weaponizes potato jetpacks to attack people. I horrifically murder enemies with eldritch sorcery, including paragraphs of detail on how their bodies were slowly liquified internally, and spewed from their every orifice. Magic is not fun and games. Paying in blood, sweat, and tears is assuredly required. At the price of insanity, or other, far less desirable occurrences. Hah.

Just in case you're actually serious about the piono parodying, he has used the elements of oblivion, reality, void, chaos, order, psychic, magic, distortion, creation, gravity, metal, death, life, time, space, plants? More later.

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Which first guardian, exactly???

Ahem.

Darkness, earth, frost, and light as well, I think.

I meant the actual base weapons (Axes, Tridents, Chestplates) rather than elements (Fire, Water, Gravity). Obviously I have four elements he definitely hasn't used yet. Fairly aware that anything normal wouldn't do.