Hi there everyone! Nedben's account has been thread-subverted by me, the wonderful BB-chan! 🌸 I've hacked into his freezer and am hot on the trail of the godmodder known as Gendo Ikari!

Unfortunately for you, Nedben's writing is hard to parse. It's so difficult his DTG games are almost unwinnable without way too much determination. It's one thing for a cheap minimodder or a fragile responder to win, but Gendo here has been loitering for games now. He's mutated off his character base more than I have. If not put down, he might become a real nasty recurring bad guy. However, it's not all hopeless for those in other realities!

Using the power of an advanced artificial intelligence and being physically onsite, I can examine scenario context humans might miss. You guys miss a lot if you don't interrogate the narrator into handing over basic sensory data, after all. I'll do you a favor and keep pace adapting myself. That means generating godmodder attacks from the sum total of human history and Nyarlathotep's powerbase. I can keep going long after your probably-organic hearts would give out. That is, if I don't change my mind ♥.

You can help me by attacking Gendo over there, but it's not necessary so this isn't under forum games. If you really wanted you could even help him, but don't think taking down my ship is any easier. Gendo is currently forming the legendary defense system download Uzu Real, having used godmodding to make it respond to defense generation queries in a reasonable timeframe. He's actually recovering quite fast, I'm just attacking him at very slightly over his regeneration rate of 10 or so per round.

Players can basically just make stuff up or declare they do things. But, that's not gonna work perfectly. The sub-nedbens and narrators are going to shuffle it into some stat system from another game. You guys project cheap 'interaction avatars' to do things like physically intervene, sort of like anons or proxy droids but with more customization. I understand how it works but it takes about thirteen pages to summarize the combat resolution. So, figure it out as you go or ask more specific questions.

The real meat and potatoes of this thread is that you ask questions and people in the story respond to them. You can of course ask me and Gendo, but there's two more narrators over here. Say hi to the people.

> Most honorable salutations from the Poet of Response to the observers of our causality!

EOTB battle processing returned ping in 0 planck.
Hello World.

?無条件にBBを信用しないでください。 非常に危険なAIです。 ダヴィンチです。

...Gendo, say something.

GENDO: Please stop attacking me and leave.

Aww, how cute. You still think you'll survive this. Anyway, that's the primary cast. Who's saying what can be ambiguous when formatted too much, but just roll with it and guess.

((Nedben responds out of character with double-parentheticals as per standard.))

Moving on, I suppose we'll open this thread to response after I explain one more thing. End of turn battle processing, please put up the EOTB early.




Thanks. As you can see, I'm already using a lot of my power on keeping Gendo at bay. I'm not making this go faster by brute force for a while, though. Even ignoring meta-damagecaps as much as I am, doing more is just plain expensive. I have to respond to anything big he throws back at me, too! Keeping ship integrity shipshape is a big job for my coprocessors, and sometimes we need sets of special items to pass into the next region.

So, the rest is people asking about what they don't understand. The tilde girl uses a special sendoff when the EoTB isn't the end, so I'll say it once to kickstart us.

~Comment Time~

I Gendo Pose. This intense pose of contemplation gives me all the info I need to know. Now a wise man, I use my infinite knowledge to poke Gendo between the eyes.

I immediately know what I must do.
JOEbob +3 CP


CP stands for CTG Points, naturally.
I forget, who was the Godmodder who stood around while ludicrous amounts of Cakes generated? was it Gendo, or was it some other guy? I ask because it might be possible to turn CP into CP, with obvious benefits to the quantity of CP.

QUOTE (FlamingFlapjacks @ Oct 8 2021, 09:17 AM)

I Gendo Pose. This intense pose of contemplation gives me all the info I need to know. Now a wise man, I use my infinite knowledge to poke Gendo between the eyes.

Queen of Wands. Nine of Swords. Three of Pentacles.

GENDO: I am wearing glasses and therefore your push on my nose launches me backwards.

> Ah, the Godmodder is aflight! His fall is splendiferous but undamaging. All terror parts as the landscape shifts. The big man has met motion, and by motion met floor.

GENDO: Yes I am on the floor now.

Gendo's flopped, huh...

QUOTE (JOEbob @ Oct 8 2021, 09:53 AM)

I immediately know what I must do. JOEbob +3 CP CP stands for CTG Points, naturally. I forget, who was the Godmodder who stood around while ludicrous amounts of Cakes generated? was it Gendo, or was it some other guy? I ask because it might be possible to turn CP into CP, with obvious benefits to the quantity of CP.

Ace of Swords. Six of Wands. Four of Pentacles.

> Ah, that godmodder has long since departed this world! They were an enemy, and a structure, and an avoidance. Yet they are hollow. Of your attempt to CP, such confrontations will be forward.
> That is, join CTG! https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/off-topic/...lways-accepting

Huh, you're gonna advertise that here? Your problem, I guess.

> There was nothing in the rules structuring said charging mechanics conventionally. Replacing it with CTG Points is favorable all around, a mark of mastery albeit theft.

GENDO: I'm going to allow this.

Well, you heard it here folks. Instead of charging CP you get CTG points.

Excellent! Fantastic! +3 CTG Points!

Query, what's the remaining 60% of the battleship's power going towards? Is it on standby? if so, wouldn't it be better for it to, while on standby, be put towards eg upgrading the battleship, producing more units, or the like?

Also, Poet of Response, is there anything I can help you with? you advertised CTG, you see, so I am in your debt.

I join Carleah The Godmodder (CTG).

A certain blue bird monster slides in from somewhere, seeming disoriented.

This is Berdly.

Anyone who has played/seen deltarune already knows what he looks like and his entire deal so i'm not going to bother describing him since there's no change.

"Where am I?"

he looks around, then finally asks the real question.

"What's going on??"

It's not really toward anyone in particular, so, feel free to answer, narrators (or Gendo)

QUOTE (JOEbob @ Oct 8 2021, 12:41 PM)

Excellent! Fantastic! +3 CTG Points! Query, what's the remaining 60% of the battleship's power going towards? Is it on standby? if so, wouldn't it be better for it to, while on standby, be put towards eg upgrading the battleship, producing more units, or the like? Also, Poet of Response, is there anything I can help you with? you advertised CTG, you see, so I am in your debt.

The reserve power is in automatic defensive mechanisms. Production work is a different thing I'm keeping from being listed in the EOTB for secrecy purposes. ;)

> I have not purpose, nor motive, nor direction. I am methodology and worldscope, merely answering when asked.

QUOTE (FlamingFlapjacks @ Oct 8 2021, 12:44 PM)

I join Carleah The Godmodder (CTG).

DATABASE SEARCH....
...
...
SELECT * FROM Carleah JOIN The Godmodder ON CTG...
FILTERING APPLIED...
NO RESULTS

That filtration process sure censored a lot of things. Absolutely redacted.

QUOTE (Sylveone46 @ Oct 8 2021, 12:50 PM)

A certain blue bird monster slides in from somewhere, seeming disoriented. This is Berdly. Anyone who has played/seen deltarune already knows what he looks like and his entire deal so i'm not going to bother describing him since there's no change. "Where am I?" he looks around, then finally asks the real question. "What's going on??" It's not really toward anyone in particular, so, feel free to answer, narrators (or Gendo)

> Welcome, welcome! This is the freezer conquered, the realm of BB Channel and NERV. The space has not yet been defined: it is data!
> There is a great war. BB the AI is fighting Gendo the Godmodder!
> See below.


I have decided to unspoiler the EOTB for accessibility purposes. Please hold.

GENDO IKARI: 584/600 GMHP

Beautiful Battleship: 100% Integrity, 40% power allocated to fighting the godmodder

CTG Points: 6

I See.
+3 CTG points. how many CTG points would it cost to produce 1 CTG point per time Gendo takes damage? alternatively, per round?

QUOTE (JOEbob @ Oct 8 2021, 01:11 PM)

I See. +3 CTG points. how many CTG points would it cost to produce 1 CTG point per time Gendo takes damage? alternatively, per round?

GENDO: Did we actually decide to make CTG Points...do anything?

I have no particular opposition. Gendo, you're the one being beaten up, you price it.

GENDO: I'm being hit for about 10 damage every turn from varying-value instances, and recovering it back. onDamage would be overpowered.

Supposedly CTG stands for Confront the Godmodder, right? Maybe if we un-acronym it we could make it a Q&A currency about confronting Gendo's personal issues.

GENDO: Wow, rude BB.

:P


Round scope processing is inconsistent due to [REDACTED]. Price recommendation: determine valuation of actions before proceeding.

EOTB

GENDO IKARI: 584/600 GMHP

Beautiful Battleship: 100% Integrity, 40% power allocated to fighting the godmodder

CTG Points: 9

[3x] +3 CTG Points.

[free] I don't think any established uses exist [Here], but it's been implied that they're taking the role of charging mechanics; in other words, 1 CTG point would be worth one player action.... wait, you never actually said how many of those there are! how many actions do players get per round? presumably at least 3, but for all I know it could be more.

Regarding onDamage being overpowered... you are correct! I was hoping to slip that past you, but I guess it's hard to forget damage being dealt when you're the one tanking it.

Regarding confronting Gendo's personal issues, that sounds more like one-off shenanigans fuel than dedicated mechanic to me, but ymmv as the saying goes. and I suppose PG (pro-Gendo) players would confront Gendo's personnel issues to summon entities.


[1x?] If there are 4 or more actions in a round, I spend one creating a wall. this wall has the tripartite powers of Existing, having half an action of health, and having half an action of healing. for benchmarking!

QUOTE (JOEbob @ Oct 8 2021, 03:35 PM)

[3x] +3 CTG Points. [free] I don't think any established uses exist [Here], but it's been implied that they're taking the role of charging mechanics; in other words, 1 CTG point would be worth one player action.... wait, you never actually said how many of those there are! how many actions do players get per round? presumably at least 3, but for all I know it could be more. Regarding onDamage being overpowered... you are correct! I was hoping to slip that past you, but I guess it's hard to forget damage being dealt when you're the one tanking it. Regarding confronting Gendo's personal issues, that sounds more like one-off shenanigans fuel than dedicated mechanic to me, but ymmv as the saying goes. and I suppose PG (pro-Gendo) players would confront Gendo's personnel issues to summon entities. [1x?] If there are 4 or more actions in a round, I spend one creating a wall. this wall has the tripartite powers of Existing, having half an action of health, and having half an action of healing. for benchmarking!

This is technically a question and response situation. Action is at the behest of [REDACTED], believing they could tip the scales. They obtained a number of failed thaumaturgical theories under JANET's order, and were subsumed by a method that made lies true.

I will assess your action by cards. A few moments to load the processing website. Six of Cups, Reversed. Queen of Swords, Reversed. Knight of Wands, Reversed. Legislating now....

-6, Table Negative, Decisive Gambit. The -6 has been stored and will be considered for later. Action power unresolvable...Correcting...

I will reveal that the action core assumes a 3-card draw.

The wall is now Existing. I will redraw to resolve statistical investment...

Queen of Cups. Five of Swords. I will file this away as well...

EOTB

GENDO IKARI: 584/600 GMHP

Wall: Existing. Can draw 1 card of healing as an action.

Beautiful Battleship: 100% Integrity, 40% power allocated to fighting the godmodder

CTG Points: 12

Cards Filed: Six of Cups Reversed, Five of Swords

+3 CTG points.
So, it sounds like half an action is enough to produce one card, and one action is about three cards, yeah? in other words, the Instant/Delayed ratio is 3:2. Or perhaps the 'Decisive Gambit' implies an exceptionally high power for this action?

[1x] I seek to reinterpret [Cups Reversed] as [Swords] on the grounds that Sword is the martial art of force and combat, where Cups is the softer side of emotion. possibly only in raksha shaping but I'm not a tarot aficionado. So the inverse of [soft and emotional] is [hard force of death] kinda sorta.
If successful, I will proceed to combine Six of Swords and Five of Swords for Five Times Six Equals Thirty of Swords. Thirty Represents CTG, so I will then proceed to tell a tale of martial valor, striking the real with a masterful display of martial skill in the Canon-Crossing Art or something similarly ostentatious, until a rent is torn leading to CTG.
(Gendo, if this whole attempt goes through, I advise you don't pass through the hole; you'll be comparatively powerless there. though I guess the power level is higher here in general, since BB does 10 GM damage per round... still, on the whole, I think you should avoid it.)

QUOTE (JOEbob @ Oct 8 2021, 04:52 PM)

+3 CTG points. So, it sounds like half an action is enough to produce one card, and one action is about three cards, yeah? in other words, the Instant/Delayed ratio is 3:2. Or perhaps the 'Decisive Gambit' implies an exceptionally high power for this action? [1x] I seek to reinterpret [Cups Reversed] as [Swords] on the grounds that Sword is the martial art of force and combat, where Cups is the softer side of emotion. possibly only in raksha shaping but I'm not a tarot aficionado. So the inverse of [soft and emotional] is [hard force of death] kinda sorta. If successful, I will proceed to combine Six of Swords and Five of Swords for Five Times Six Equals Thirty of Swords. Thirty Represents CTG, so I will then proceed to tell a tale of martial valor, striking the real with a masterful display of martial skill in the Canon-Crossing Art or something similarly ostentatious, until a rent is torn leading to CTG. (Gendo, if this whole attempt goes through, I advise you don't pass through the hole; you'll be comparatively powerless there. though I guess the power level is higher here in general, since BB does 10 GM damage per round... still, on the whole, I think you should avoid it.)

> Card conversion active. Sadly, the card trick was already occupied. Luckily, there was already a portal to CTG on the observation deck layer used to stabilize different-power interactives, so you beating up existence doesn't really cause anything remarkable.

GENDO: Ow, my existence.

Your fault for not parrying.

Stack resolves to 5 + 6 = 11. Aim...negated. Technical attempt success/failure not adjudicated by the King or Knight. In other words, K.

I guess we should establish crossover rules or clarify what that observation deck does...but it's a hassle to explain, so I won't just yet unless someone asks.

CTG gate active on observation deck.

EOTB

GENDO IKARI: 584/600 GMHP

Wall: Existing. Can draw 1 card of healing as an action.

Beautiful Battleship: 100% Integrity, 40% power allocated to fighting the godmodder

CTG Points: 12

Cards Filed: none

+3 CTG points

So what does that observation deck do, exactly?

QUOTE (JOEbob @ Oct 10 2021, 06:34 AM)

+3 CTG points So what does that observation deck do, exactly?

The observation deck? JANET puts up those things to contain cross-continuity pollination effects. Some stories work collaboratively and can be allowed in. Others can't structurally align, and have to either emanate exports or stick to just looking at what's posted/copyable story.

English doesn't have words for the exact details. The observation deck does come with some bar furniture and miscellaneous futuristic view things so people can keep track of both the core narrative and the world emanated from it. It's mostly a space that doesn't worry about details and therefore relaxes noncritical rules. What it does is create a state of observability without inciting unwanted observer effects, such that things can be relayed between instances and canons without carrying disruptive greater truths with as dependencies.

GENDO: Huh, I guess they really do have a lot in common with publishing for show-watching rooms.

Witches, adjutants, miscellaneous cross-continuity observations and accesses, reference material data...it's accessible without being overwhelming or infectable.

CTG gate active on observation deck.

EOTB

GENDO IKARI: 584/600 GMHP

Wall: Existing. Can draw 1 card of healing as an action.

Beautiful Battleship: 100% Integrity, 40% power allocated to fighting the godmodder

CTG Points: 15

Cards Filed: none

I rapid fire poke Gendo with Q&A questions.

QUOTE (FlamingFlapjacks @ Oct 11 2021, 05:26 PM)

I rapid fire poke Gendo with Q&A questions.

> It seems Gendo is answering them!

GENDO: My state in five years is far too difficult to predict.

GENDO: This will affect the economy of the Freezer Gameboard but is unlikely to have further impacts. Specifics depend on BB and player intervention, as I have no serious non-counter plans.

GENDO: Security.

GENDO: Instrumentality would be a possible solution to those interpersonal issues due to lack of aggressive incompatibilities. Consider the LCL fishtank technique.

GENDO: No.

GENDO: Blue.

GENDO: African or European swallows actually vary significantly due to environmental conditions: the question is insufficiently defined in the expected research space due to African swallow differences. Relatedly, coconuts are overkill. See here: https://interestingengineering.com/monty-py...unladen-swallow

GENDO: France.

GENDO: Useless. Security, please remove the offender.

GENDO: No comment.

GENDO: Yes.

GENDO: Red fish, assuming the sweetfish river metaphor still applies to railroad.

GENDO: 4i.

GENDO: 12.

GENDO: Actually, that's a reference to Marisa Stole The Precious Thing and not Thunorg's Thunder.

GENDO: Celestia optimized for satisfying human values through friendship and ponies.

GENDO: Cat.

> I think the responses are out of context since the questions were not specific.

CTG gate active on observation deck.

EOTB

GENDO IKARI: 584/600 GMHP

Wall: Existing. Can draw 1 card of healing as an action.

Beautiful Battleship: 100% Integrity, 40% power allocated to fighting the godmodder

CTG Points: 15

Cards Filed: none

+3 CTG Points

So if I've got this right, the observation deck is a place where you can look at other [canons] without making anything about those canons actually canon to this world. For instance, being able to know the contents of DTG0 without canonizing the black, or read Ephemeralquest without implying that life is made of swearing. It also allows you to take, say, a mote-powered gossamer-generator through, without turning the basic substrate of the rest of the universe into motes. yeah?

QUOTE (JOEbob @ Oct 17 2021, 06:47 AM)

+3 CTG Points So if I've got this right, the observation deck is a place where you can look at other [canons] without making anything about those canons actually canon to this world. For instance, being able to know the contents of DTG0 without canonizing the black, or read Ephemeralquest without implying that life is made of swearing. It also allows you to take, say, a mote-powered gossamer-generator through, without turning the basic substrate of the rest of the universe into motes. yeah?

That pretty much sums it up, but the reading and conjuring functionalities are because of separate things. You could generate local law configurations that define a mote-powered gossamer generator as it is over there without affecting areas noninteracting with it. But, it wouldn't have any higher primacy than you'd be allowed to declare normally. There'd also be mechanical abstractors protecting and interpreting certain interactions for wider safety laws, too.

An alternative option is that someone could be registered as an observing party projecting or reinterpreting themselves to comply with existence and make their entry meaningfully registered. It's sort of like Planetouched Play D&D 'refluffing' with slightly more seriousness to it. In more 'explicitly projection' cases, things like saint graphs and witch reflections also qualify. Then they could build, contain, or be a mote-powered gossamer generator using purely local-compliant definitions of motonics. This is sort of how 'random individual bits crossing over' works, but the details are kept behind the scenes by default because few people consider it important enough to not handwave.

Default player characters and communication projections thereof are often using a simplified version of the projecting system unless otherwise is negotiated formally or informally. The tale just goes along with it and so do I.

Observation decks are generally spaces where people don't come into meaningful conflict or resolve their conflict through games in the gamespace layer. Partly that's cultural and partly that's enforced by definitions of what constitutes observation. So, we can get things from interpretations in addition to the base text but not have to worry about infohazards or whatever being applicable.

This is probably simpler than it sounds but more complicated to explain fully. It has a lot of edge cases to deal with things most people won't bother trying, basically.

CTG gate active on observation deck.

EOTB

GENDO IKARI: 584/600 GMHP

Wall: Existing. Can draw 1 card of healing as an action.

Beautiful Battleship: 100% Integrity, 40% power allocated to fighting the godmodder

CTG Points: 18

Cards Filed: none